Neal Purchase Junior and the Duo - interview and video

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screen_shot_2015-07-10_at_11.04.31_am.pngA nose for curiosity and a willingness to follow the scent has led Neal Purchase Junior down an interesting trail. The Duo is his latest design, a concept that, in his words, "splits the single fin apart" with two double foiled fins set six inches apart.

The design is all that Neal has been riding this year, even during his recent Indonesian trip. Rhythm clothing made a short clip of Neal at Ulus and Canggu (see video below) riding the Duo so Swellnet threw a few questions at him.

Swellnet: When did you strike upon the concept?
Neal Purchase Junior: I'd been thinking about it for quite some time. I had a blank that I wasn’t real sure about so I thought I'd try something new with it. That was about eight months ago, it was just after the single fin contest at Burleigh.

Did it ride as you imagined?
Ah, yeah...it's funny, 'cos my favourite board is still that very first board. I started off with 7½ inch fins, I took them down to 6 ¾. As you go out to the rail the height of the fins has to come down quite considerably, so I sanded them down after each surf to the last point where I'd have the drive without slipping out.

So despite the first board being the best you've been developing the idea, moving the fins around and such?
It's funny, the first one was toed dead straight with fins 6 inches apart, 3 inches either side of the stringer. And then after that I was like, fuck, there's all these other places where you could put 'em in between there and where a normal twin fin is. So I went out to 6½ and then 7 inches apart and then to 8 inches apart, but after 7 inches they start just feeling like a twin fin which wasn’t what I was after. It started getting that wiggly, fishy feeling in the tail.

So after about six boards or so I went back to the original design and kept them at 6 inches apart.

What bottom contours are you riding them with?
It's basically a very subtle concave under the front foot splitting into a double. A dead flat bottom with hard rails would work really well also. They're kinda similar contours to a single fin, what I was using in my single fins. They like flat decks or just slightly fuller rails like a single fin, as opposed to a low, soft, really modern rail.

Looking at it from a distance, that is looking at it through video, it seems the planshape is similar to your quads. Is that right?
Yeah, it's sort of an egg. That board is 5'11' by 21 inches wide, so it's really quite wide. It's almost like a fish. It handles up to 6 foot waves easily, no worries at all. It's got a 16 inch nose and tail which is probably quite wide, so they can handle a bit of width in the tail, more so than a thruster, or even a quad.

What are the ideal waves for it?
They like hollow waves. They really surf well in the pocket, so I was really stoked to go over to Indo and test them out there at Ulus and all the reefs. I originally thought they'd only go good in good waves but the 5'11” I'm riding goes well in waves from 1 foot to 6 to 8 foot. But they definitely like more punch, more steepness. The hollower the wave is, the better they seem to go.

Does that surprise you?
Well the fins are both double-foiled fins, and there's a bit of depth to them so I was kinda thinking they'd go good in good waves right off the bat. I was always thinking it'd be a better version of a single fin 'cos a single fin likes a nice wave as well.

Does it have any of the peculiarities of a twin fin?
It doesn't feel like a twin fin, but it gets away a lot quicker than a single fin. It's got that light characteristic and the further out the fins go the more and more they start feeling like a twin fin. It's got that get up and go of a twin fin but not the fishyness in the tail.

Can you describe the feeling of the Duo?
It feels snaky, squirty and smooth.

And have you sold many?
I put a few pictures up on my blog and I had a few of my customers who regularly get boards off me grab a few. So yeah, I'm doing a few, but it wasn’t really for that, it was just an idea for a way of surfing that I'd been thinking about for a while. A traditional way of surfing but quite modern as well.

You're in a fortunate position, don’t you think, being able to follow your own curiosity while also shaping boards that people want to ride.
Yeah, well, I wasn't expecting it to feel that good. But I guess as surfers we're always chasing those feelings and we want boards to do certain things for us. Being my own test pilot I can then give back to other people what it is that I'm feeling.

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caml Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 11:25am

Sure we saw this a year ago

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stunet Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 11:26am

Maybe 8 months ago when NPJ first put them on his blog? The vid above was only posted last week and I think that's the first vid with them being surfed. (might be wrong though).

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uplift Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 11:56am

I surfed with him at blacks, nice guy. Gauly's mate, sponno. He liked the nugget. Got a few close looks at it.

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atticus Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 12:29pm

Just when you thought you'd seen everything! Great work Mr Purchase.

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caml Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 12:49pm

Ok I did see it . Great design windsurfers been doing em for yrs

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toneranger Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 5:10pm

jeez,if you didn't know the date you'd think you were look at a promo for 'morning of the earth'

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tworules Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 6:29pm

great style, always on the search,can't wait to visit the shop in the gatta, hope its there.

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indo-dreaming Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 6:48pm

Sure doesn't lack speed, love to give one a go.

BTW. love all these Surfboard design articles.

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markxxx Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 6:53pm

I've got two of Neals boards, ones a Bean quad with Duo option. The speed of the Duo is insane in decent waves, very addictive.

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brutus Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 11:27pm

Absolutely love it.......ist time I've seen it......seems like he has real carve out of the top...much better than a single.........bloody brilliant!!

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caml Friday, 10 Jul 2015 at 11:40pm

Mc a few weeks ago case was at cactus & we swapped boards . I rode his 6"8 protow tri finner . It paddled great & fairly ripped the wave but had a funny snakey sorta drift to its line , might have needed bigger fins ? . Ps the tow boards going pretty good finally now got some bigger fins in the sides.

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brutus Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 1:58am

Gee Caml.....that bd was 21 wide and 3" thick ...wasn't a bit much bd for ya.......should have had big SA's or Panchos....do ya know what fins he had??

Actually inproved the new bds outa site ....found a new fin position /straps.....look out Nazare when RCJ recovers for this northern winter.....

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caml Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 2:08am

Mc actually cases bd was tiny for me after riding 10"6 guns for the last month. It had kelly slater fins but I told case it needs bigger size cose it had snakey drift . But it sure was fast & paddled good . I will send u a piccy of the tow board in action now it has bigger funs im finally getting the feeling desired. Cheers legend

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saltman Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 7:14am

Wow the speed looks great
Wonder how it compares to the feel of his quartet

Imagine if you adapted the assymetrics recently used by Garrett with the fin clusters of NPJ ???

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wingnut2443 Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 8:17am
saltman wrote:

... Wonder how it compares to the feel of his quartet ... ???

Don't know about feel, but watching it being surfed in waist high beach break waves only recently, I'd say the quartet out performed it by 50%.

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wingnut2443 Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 8:22am

Interesting comment in the video that it's not about marketing or whatever, just his current journey ...

Sorry, I can't help but be skeptical.

As Stu wrote at the start of the article:

"Rhythm clothing made a short clip of Neal at Ulus and Canggu (see video below) riding the Duo ..."

That feels like marketing to me...

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stunet Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 8:39am

Rhythm make clothes Wingy. When watching that vid Rhythm would like you to pay attention to the cut of NPJ's duds, but fortunately you and I know that boards are better than boardies.

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wingnut2443 Sunday, 12 Jul 2015 at 1:51am

Hahahaaa ... I didn't notice what he was wearing - more interested in how the board was used to ride the wave.

As an aside, is NPJ a part owner of Rhythm?

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stunet Monday, 13 Jul 2015 at 11:59am

No, Rhythm was owned by Ryan and Jamahl Grey but they sold it in 2011 (I think, sometime around then) to an OS consortium. Far as I know NPJ just shapes boards and makes music.

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udo Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 4:52pm

Why use the double sided foils and not single sided ....Fin gurus / Wingnut what difference does it make ?

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wingnut2443 Sunday, 12 Jul 2015 at 1:48am

It'd be hard to find fins in the size needed with flat inside faces. Last thing you need is to "market" a board that then requires specific fins ... oops, sorry there's that skeptic in me again ;)

In short, same principle apply for quads. The rear fins generally* have at least an 80/20 foil. My understanding is a flat inside face creates too much "stick" due to the lift created, when you want the rear fins to actually release a little. With such big fins, a flat inside face would hold too much.

* - generally: most common quad fin set ups have 80/20 foil ... some specific sets have flat inside foil. Fin placement for quads (i.e. mckee style vs more rail style) tend to favour one or the other (mckee - 80/20 - due to fins being closer together at the rear)

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tahien Saturday, 11 Jul 2015 at 7:41pm

DMS did this close to ten years ago on his cuttlefish model. Boards were definitely fun but not sure he could sell many of them. Goodluck with this one.... hopefully people are a bit more receptive now.

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Shatner'sBassoon Monday, 13 Jul 2015 at 5:46pm

Interesting...I just put up some photos in the 'twin fins' thread of a design by his dad. Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. He spent a bit of time round the factory where that particular replicated board was made too.

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stunet Monday, 13 Jul 2015 at 7:59pm

That's a wild ol' twinny SB, what with the first flyer way up the board like an Aipa Sting.

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calmbutnot Monday, 20 Jul 2015 at 2:08pm

circa 2007 windsurfing industry tried this, was called a twinzer

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Albertinelli Sunday, 13 Sep 2015 at 8:37pm

It works alright. But what the hell there are so many options on the Market it no breakthrough like the thruster was in 1981. I will stick to my Thruster Quad set up on my Outer Island boards by Mitchell Rae. The fins are just a add on it is the board shapes and bottom plans and flex tails that make his boards go supersonic speed in the barrel and in the turns.

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udo Sunday, 13 Sep 2015 at 8:50pm

Kerry1 Albertinelli youre back ya champion.